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rapidly now, kamala harris is on the trail in pennsylvania saying she feels good about her prospects. >> there as she's turning to oprah winfrey in hopes of getting a new campaign boost. this as donald trump is heading to the key battleground state of nevada. and defending a far-right promoter of conspiracy theories, who's entered his inner circle also tonight. there's breaking news. we're following a one-on-one interview with us supreme court justice. the tangy brown jackson she opens up to cnn about the role of public opinion plays in writing the high court decision. plus a cnn exclusive will take you inside a life-saving hospital train. that's transporting injured from the front frontlines of the war in ukraine welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in the situation room

with the intensifying fight for the swing states that will decide the presidential election just ahead of a harris rally in pennsylvania in the next hour and a trump event in nevada later tonight. our correspondents are out there on the campaign trail covering both candidates. first, that's going to cnn's priscilla alvarez. she's willing it's very pennsylvania for us. that's where the vice president will be speaking to supporters soon. we'll have live coverage standby for that. priscilla, what is the harris campaign strategy behind today's stops in pennsylvania the harris campaign is trying to pick up voters in these rural red counties and then at attempt to try to peel off that support from former president donald trump. >> now a campaign adviser tells me just minutes ago, but her remarks here tonight are going to be focused on jobs and job opportunities, especially those jobs don't require a four years of education. now, this

is a part of that strategy to try to win the board among voters who might lean toward more president donald trump and to give you a sense of just how important the state is going to be for this campaign. this is the seventh time over the last eight days of the vice president has spent time here. so clearly, as a campaign or state that they are paying very close attention to. now, once he was asked earlier today at a local bookstore house, he's feeling about the state. this is what she had to say i am feeling very good about pennsylvania because there are a lot of people in pennsylvania who deserve to be seen and heard. >> that's why i'm here in johnson and i will be continuing to travel around the state to make sure that i'm listening as much as we're talking and ultimately, i feel very strongly that that earn every vote and that means spending time with folks in the communities where they live.

and so that's why i'm here and we're going to be spending a lot more time in pennsylvania so you heard it from the vice president herself. >> she plans on spending more time here, having facetime with voters today, having face time with voters two counties that bore president donald trump won by more than double digits. in 2020 wolf and priscilla kamala harris is going to get yet another big celebrity boost next week, tell us about that yeah, she's going to be participating in a live stream of went event with oprah winfrey, of course, over was at the democratic national convention as well. >> and it is these types of events at the campaign is trying to do more of outside of jordan? michele media and big speeches or remarks because they want to keep the energy going that this campaign has had since president biden stepped out of the race. now, in addition to this, democratic officials also hoping that they can try to get we on the calendar with taylor swift. now, when i asked a senior campaign spokesperson about

whether or not she would be on the trail just immediately following her endorsement earlier this week, they said they would welcome her on the trail, whether or not that comes to fruition. so to be seen, well, for taylor swift up for winfrey, pretty big gusts celebrities, priscilla standby. i want to bring in cnn's kristen holmes as well. she's covering the trump campaign for us, kristen, the former president, spoke with reporters out in california just ahead of his rally in nevada later tonight, you were there tell our viewers what he said a lot of it was stuff we have heard before. >> well, if he was talking about the state of california, obviously linking to the fact that he was here. he is here for a number of fundraisers saying and it was crime blaming kamala harris for her time as a prosecutor here, he talked about crime, he talked about immigration, and he doubled down on what we know are debunked rumors about haitian immigrants in springfield, ohio and who's particularly asked about these bomb threats that have occurred since this ramped up rhetoric in springfield at

schools, this is what he said shafik ocean another bomb threats at schools and kids being evacuated. >> why do you still spreading? >> no, know. the real threat is what's happening at our border. >> because you have thousands of people being killed by illegal migrants coming in. and also dying. they end up being sex slaves and everything else. those are real problems that the problem that you're talking >> he also went on to say that if he were elected, they were going to have mass deportations in springfield, ohio. there is one problem with that wolf is that many of these immigrants that you're talking about, our legal immigrants. but again, this is all part of the rhetoric that we have heard from donald trump as he tries to link this fear to immigration, part of a strategy because they do believe they being the campaign and donald trump's that immigration is a winning issue for them ahead of november and kristen, i know you had a chance to ask trump about whether he agrees with laura loomer, the far-right

provocateur, who he was he has been seen traveling with in the course of these several past days. >> tell us about that yeah. >> i asked him about what he would say to his republican allies who have clearly expressed concern both publicly as we have heard from lindsey graham and marjorie taylor greene and privately as sources have told me, they've reached out to trump or trump's campaign about their concerns friends, about laura loomer, who was a far right activist. he did not denounce her in any way. in fact, he seemed to almost praise her calling her a supporter and asking me why i was asking that question, or at least explaining are having some skepticism as to why i would ask that. take a listen i don't control laura. >> laura has to say what you want she's a, she's a free spirit. i don't know what she said, but i'll go take a look and i'll put out a statement later on, but i really don't know that statement, but again, we know that some republican allies have called him directly, have called those close to him on his inner

circle two question this decision to have laura loomer around him talking about recent posts that she has had where she questions the validity of 911, where she makes racist remarks about kamala harris being in the white house. >> so this idea that he doesn't know anything about what she has said and he's just around because she is a supporter as seems, at least up the baseline here. pretty suspect, pretty suspect, indeed. >> kristen holmes and priscilla alvarez covering both campaigns for us. thank you very much. let's get some more on this presidential race. our panel of political experts is joining us isaac dovere, you've been doing a lot of reporting. you're speaking to harris aides and i know but they're talking about what they see as their path to victory. what are you learning when they look at the breakdown of the states at this point in the battleground states, what they're seeing is pennsylvania where harris is today, possible, but really still very tough michigan and wisconsin, those other blue wall states looking better for them in their minds. north carolina, a

state that that hasn't gone for democratic presidential elections since barack obama in 2008 looking actually better for them, then arizona, which is a state that joe biden won in 2020 narrowly. and nevada and georgia both kind of in-between there. one of the things that that reflects is that there is a sense that these states may not move as blocks. and the way that they have in recent presidential selections. so north carolina could go one way, georgia and the other. harris folks looking at this and saying if the election were held today, they are not sure that kamala harris would win. that doesn't mean that they don't think that they will win in the end, but they see a lot of work that needs to be done. a lot of effort that needs to be put in to keeping up that good vibes i've been energy that was there the beginning of her campaign and making it so that people who are undecided in these states feel like they are comfortable with her because undecided voters are not undecided about donald trump. there just undecided about whether they will stick with donald trump. they know what they think of how important are reporting. thank you very much, latosha brown is with us as well.

natasha, i know you you you understand what harris is trying to do this new strategy going to some of the more rural areas in georgia, for example, where you're from, how much does this potentially help her campaign? kind of just going to the populated areas where democrats are majority, not think it's a brilliant strategy we saw in the last campaign that part of what brought about georgia is that wasn't just a metro atlanta area for biden, but he was able to shave off some of those votes and the county areas that part of what we saw and part of our strategy and what with the work that we're doing on the ground, that part of the strategy is really to be able to shave off votes that we know hello, this is going to be a close election and so i think part of what's going to happen, i think the strategy to go in the rural areas and both in georgia, to go to the rural areas and pennsylvania, she's sending a message. she sent the message that she cares about those voters in that area. i think she's sending a message that she understands that there's opportunity that even if a county is read if you can actually show, you can make that margin smaller then that

he actually gives you an advantage as well. so i think that she's actually been aggressive at going at voters and saying that she wants to fight an earn the right for voters to vote for her. >> i think there's a pretty smart strategy. indeed frank luntz is with us. frank luntz as opposed to what's your sense of what's more effective with undecided voters, the kind of retail politicking or big breakout moments like this event. that's coming up with oprah and i would say that it's really neither the key here is inflation for the ability housing, health care food, and fuel and that message, where they stand and what they say about it matters more than everything else immigration is second, but it's a distant second. >> and if they don't get the message out just because they show up, doesn't mean anything. if they're not heard and if the coverage is all negative and frankly, wherever trump seems to be going, he brings negative coverage twin at him. when harris go somewhere, she brings positive coverage with her and that in the end is

going to make a difference is the opposite of 2016 in 2016, the democratic nominee, hillary clinton brought a great deal of negative or these skeptical coverage harris is not doing that at all. and that's why she continues to gain a pointer to in these key swing states. >> charlie dent, you're a former republican congressman from pennsylvania. what do you make of kamala harris's focus on these two rural trump stronghold in your state. what will it take for that strategy to wind up? paying off account for harris is trying to do. >> i think he's trying to pull a actually a page out of joe biden's playbook. >> there are 67 counties in pennsylvania. >> and if you look what happened from 2016 to 2020, donald trump underperformed and 66 out of those 67 counties, meaning that he he did slightly worse in 66 or 67 counties, including counties he won by big margins she's going to lose earn county tonight desk for

wilkes-barre years. i believe she was just in johnstown, cambria county. she's going to losing these places, but she's trying to cut the margins back. donald trump only perform marginally better in one county in 2020 than 2016. that was filled but alpha, believe it or not, even though he lost big harris is trying to cut the margins down in these areas because harris is going to lose your welling number of counties in pennsylvania, she'll win the big ones where the population is, but it's really tight right now. so she must absolutely be in these red areas to close the gap a little bit. >> isaac, i'm curious. so you heard a trump, once again, call far-right conspiracy theorists, laura loomer today, a supporter and a quote, free spirit, a woman even far-right people like marjorie taylor greene simply say, is way too extreme for the mainstream of the republican party. why isn't trump? this? distancing himself from her? >> because this is what he does. and donald trump often associates with people who go back to that two years ago when

he had dinner at mar-a-lago with nick fuentes and kanye west. when after all, the anti-semitic stuff that's coming out of kenya was he has people around him who are promoting these things he enjoys having some of that around. he talks about it himself. he was the one who talked about the made-up story about immigrants eating dogs on the debate stage and it sort of reminds me of that scene in the hangover, the first hangover movie, where they've got the mercedes-benz going down the road and the tiger wakes up in the backseat whatever the trump campaign has tried to build here to keep things very professional and capable. they always have to deal with donald trump being donald trump, and scratching at things in the way that he's going to interesting. >> you're front frank luntz, loomer also is doubling down on her 911 skepticism. she did so once again today, how damaging is this association do you believe? for trump it's certainly not helpful when you're trying to win undecided voters. >> they're not non-ideological , well, and they're not political. they're judging a candidate's character traits, not character for character

traits and attributes. and this is not someone who is regarded as sensible, reasonable, and responsible trump should be surrounding himself with people on the mainstream, people who know about the key issues have substance and those who don't play with conspiracies because he's got those voters already. i think wolf that donald trump's greatest opponent isn't kamala harris. it's not joe biden, it's actually donald trump during a lot of people agree with you on that, aren't guys. thanks very, very much. all of you coming up a harris campaign co-chair joins us with her take on the brawl at the 2024 battleground states underway right now, representative jasmine crockett is standing by and later there's breaking news. a rare interview with a member of the united states supreme court. cnn's abby phillips talks to justice ketanji brown jackson. stay with us seen is taking a break from breaking news to air. have i

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808 to 14000 kamala harris is heading to a rally in the pivotal battleground state of pennsylvania. >> tonight, we're standing by for that. we'll have some live coverage right now. we're joined by national co-chair of the harris-walz campaign, us congresswoman jasmine crockett of texas, a democrat the thanks very much. congresswoman for coming in. what do you think of her strategy now in pennsylvania and georgia, other states, not just going to the major democratic strong those the big cities, but going out into the country a little bit, trying to appeal to other voters. >> i think it's what we all should do listen, this administration has proven that they are not focused just on blue states, but they are focused donald taking care of americans no matter if you voted for or against them, it is important for us to start to share the stories of not only our vision of what it will look like to carry us forward, but also to remind people of who it is that decided, you know, what we want to make sure broadband access is a reality, whether you're in urban america or rural america, we want to make sure that you have access

that's a health care whether you're an urban or rural, we want to make sure that if that plant shuts down in your community, that you still have access to economic opportunities. if that means being able to work from home. we want to make sure that we are sharing this message and letting you know that we have not forgotten about, you and so i think that it is important that if you want to be the president of the united states, that you talk to everyone and what you're seeing out of this particular campaign is how aggressively they will work to earn the vote. they aren't expecting any one to give them anything and they're not taking anyone for granite. >> you do that when your district in and around dallas? >> yeah, absolutely. >> when you're busy, she hadn't his learning that the harris campaign, at least right now, doesn't have a clear path to the 270 electoral college votes needed to be elected president of the united states. what do you see as her path to victory? >> i think we have to meet people where they are. number one i'm a lot of times the strategy is let's go after those people that are double or triple des are those that we

know always show up and cast our votes. this is a very different election. and so i think that we need to approach it differently. so one of the things that i've been doing is when i'm on the road, i've gone to a number of music festivals with over 50,000 attendees at each festival. and i get on the stage before their favorite singer or comes on stage. and i talked to them about voting. and i'm making it very short and quick and saying things like, hey whatever your one top issue is, google that and project 2025 and if you like, what it says about that, then you know who to vote for. if you don't like what it says about it, then you need to vote the other way. and so i think project 2025 has been a gift for us. number one. number two, i do recall a time in which no one thought that donald trump could become the president of the united states, but he did. so the reality is that we are seeing a swell of excitement from people that typically aren't engaged in the process. the thing is we need to continue to build as well and we can't get

comfortable. we've got to work your a national co-chair of the kamala harris campaign right now, which states, you see are totally a critical victory all of them all the battlegrounds that is. so i've spent a lot of time in michigan, has been a lot of time in pennsylvania, wisconsin has been trying to get me there. i was just in the vada. i'm going to be going back here shortly. i've got to go back to arizona again. i've been in all these states no less than three times i'm headed to north carolina. i will do three cities on the 21st alone. georgia is critical. i'm going there two times in the next two weeks so all of these dates really do matter. michigan, i went there right after dnc and did about five different cities in michigan. so yes, we are going beyond just detroit and going now, in exploring other cities, looking, she has the harris campaign is launching a new ad that deals with her plans for

the economy, which is of course, a critically important issue for so many voters out there. >> let me play a little clip. >> i'll lower the cost of insulin and prescription drugs for everyone, and i will work to pass the first ever federal ban on price gouging on food more than 100 million americans will get a tax cut. we will and america's housing shortage by building 3 million new homes and rentals the criticism she's getting is that she's been vice president for three-and-a-half years. >> why hasn't she tried to do all that? so far? >> yeah. so most people don't quite understand all the roles that we play. a vice president the supporting cast member, it's kind of like when i used to be out on the trail even for the biden-harris ticket, people would say, well, i've voted because i was really voting for kamala, but we haven't seen r and i'm trying to let them know. listen. she is supposed to be a supporting cast member, and i think that she was as well as being an amazing partner, but it is the president's administration. he

is the leader sure and now that they're being given an opportunity to see what it looks like to have a kamala harris commander in chief as she is out there on the campaign trail. i think people are becoming very confident in her ability to do things, but she gets to direct the ship and then it will be tim walz that will that will support her agenda. >> so critical, it's the economy stupid as they used to say so many voters are looking at the account absolutely, right now, congresswoman jasmine crockett, thanks very much for coming. >> thanks so much. >> good to see you up next. cnn has rare access inside the narrow strip of land between gaza and egypt that has become a major sticking point in israel ceasefire talks with hamas. >> we're going to take you there right after the break your friends are turning is hosting the ultimate friends celebration 30, celebrates 30 years of friends. all this month on tbs and stream every episode on max liberty mutual

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as you can see, it's right up against the egyptian border and it's important because the israeli say this is an area which has been used over the years as a way of smuggling weapons into the gaza strip. some of the smuggling has taken place over land through presumably holes in the fence and through other border crossings. but a lot of it has been taking place right under our feet okay. >> well, this is one of those tunnels. it's right on the border with egypt and you can see it is absolutely huge, wide enough to drive a car, right? right the way through it. the israeli military say that this tunnel, because it's so close to the egyptian frontier, has been used by hamas and other militants to store weapons in and to fire rockets from. you can see here the back of the wall it's completely collapsed down apparently, it was closed for some time now we're

driving now through the neighborhood of telcel tan every one of the buildings here has been totally destroyed. this was obviously a residential area with many people living in it. and the israeli military you say those people have moved for the most part, two safe zones, humanitarian areas not far from here, but but look what they've left behind look what's happening to gaza. >> thank you daniel hagari is the chief spokesperson for the israeli the military. >> how can you justify causing so much damage devastation, destruction in pursuit of your objective, there were only reason it's because hamas has built his military capabilities in that way, that there is no other possibility there is, there is a town underneath rafah. >> if you don't demolish it, then hamas will go back and have a stronger, the military struggled he is using the

population, embedding in the population. he's creating this destruction and also the desk of the population which has been a very tightly controlled, but have access into gaza with the israeli military as such, what we haven't been able to see, but it's incredible. they've showed us what they have. it's definitely a narrow view, but it is also the only view, right now that we can get firsthand matthew chance, cnn in the southern gaza strip since matthew chance filed that report, the israeli military tells cnn it has effectively defeated hamas militants in southern gaza dismantling there were dismantling what's known as the hamas rafah brigade and destroying nearly 200 tunnel in the philadelphi corridor at this hour, president biden is meeting with british prime minister keir starmer over at the white house. >> the two leaders discussing potentially easing restrictions

on ukraine's use of long-range weapons provided by the us and other western allies inside russian territory. and tonight, cnn has exclusive access to medical evacuation, train a medical evacuation train used by the ukrainian army to transport injured soldiers from the frontlines to hospitals around the country. cnn's christiane amanpour brings us this incredible look inside ukraine's hospital on rails a hot, late summer morning hot your time is fast approaching this railway station in ukraine but this is no ordinary train for it's a hospital well, on wheels evacuating dozens of wounded military personnel away from the eastern front. as russia's brutal offensive grinds on paramedics, carefully

loading patient after patient many of them unconscious on to repurpose carriages highly organized special operation and it's never been seen before cnn gained unprecedented and exclusive access to what so far has remained a closely guarded military secret. >> but everybody is still before the train moves off. >> i meet thirty-five-year-old olexander, wounded by a drone strike, which has caused him to go deaf in one year his call sign is positive, but he doesn't feel it very tired. >> but her times and we must remind, that you put i got do you feel that you have enough? people, enough weapons to defend? no. you don't have enough no, no, no never such everyday. what does nationally,

nationally on, we make our way to the intensive care unit where several soldiers are on life support fed after bed of broken and battered bodies lives shattered in an instant 90% of the wounds being treated here are from shrapnel of these patients know there'll be patched up just to be sent back to the front as soon as possible. >> this train and its cargo. some of ukraine's state of military affairs mostly ordinary citizens who've answered the call, outmanned, outgunned by russia and yet still putting up a hell of a fighter nurse, yulia makes this journey twice a week how do you feel being in here with these very badly wounded soldiers how

does it make you feel empathy? i'm an empathetic person, so it's difficult. >> she tells me. but you have to switch off your feelings at the moment of work and later, you can reflect frontline morale is on display here to if electrician olexander was feeling down after 18 months fighting this brutal war stanislav, who signed up in march, is still full of patriotic fervor. he can still someone a smile even though he has shrapnel in his body and damage to his lungs from what i mean, listen, i was ready for it. >> i was ready to trade the shower stall the goods sheets, and the bad the good conditions that i had at home for a foxhole a new where i was going. and what he was doing only based lead. >> most difficult part is

evacuation from the front lines. combat medics who work on the front are dying, just like soldiers carriages rumble on through fields of gold think for a moment of history, repeating itself in europe, when thousands of ambulance trains evacuated casualties from world war ones, trenches more than 1,000,002 the uk alone tonight, darkness descends as we arrive at the destination and suddenly there's activity everywhere again collecting and dispatching the hospitals across the country on the platform, the railway chief describes his pride and his sorrow to see the kids who are saying goodbye to their dads score heading towards the frontlines so seeing those same guys coming back effectively unconscious, saw with amputations, it feels like the

price of the war is incredible. like a conveyor belt, industrial scale conversion of healthy young men and women into this them told us, ukraine is strong and motivated. while russia has quantity, we have quality, and we will win christiana amanpour, cnn, ukraine our thanks to christiane for that excellent report just ahead. >> the u.s. supreme court justice ketanji brown jackson sits down with cnn for very revealing interview. >> that's next that took culture over the edge. >> people who are watching and then our world change an explosive reverberation tv on the edge, premiers sunday, september 22, did nine on cnn deliveries happened ordered

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justice, ketanji he brown jackson earlier today, abby, in this conversation, justice jackson touched on the dynamics, for example, with justice clarence thomas, let's watch what she told you. listen to this in the time that you've been on the court because you have written your own dissents and some pretty big cases there there's disagreement obviously, among your colleagues are over the law in one case justice thomas devoted roughly seven pages of his concurring opinion on affirmative action to critique your opinion and your descent he also read that opinion out loud, which just feet away from where you're sitting. what was that experience like well, you know, dissents are common on the court one of the nice parts about the collective decision-making model is that the justices have the opportunity to express their

views. >> and then when you're in the majority, there's a majority opinion that you can sign on to. you can write separately to express your particular take on an issue and of course, you can descend and justice thomas in his concurring opinion, decided to talk about my dissent in one way. i think i was flattered was flattered because it meant that i must have been making points that were worth responding to but it's a dialogue, it's always a dialogue with the justices what stood out to you for her response? >> well, wolf, there is a lot of confidence there. she is maybe the newest justice on the court, but she's been a judge for a long time and she told me she she said, i've been a district court judge. i'm used to running my own courtroom. i am used to having my opinions known and even on these tough

cases, even as the newest justice she has stood out as someone who's been willing to put pen to paper on these dissenting opinions in a very conservative court but it's not personal pr say she talked about how this is about it's agreements over the law which reasonable people can and do have it sounds very much like even in those moments when a more, much more senior justice is from the bench reading at opinion that that critiques yours. she felt like that was actually a point of pride that she had said something so worthy of being critiqued, that he had to say something from the bench. >> then there'll be as you and i well know the court is facing immense scrutiny right now. how does justice jackson think about americans trust in the supreme court? >> yeah, well, we talked a bit about this because this is something that is really overshadowing the court all these concerns about ethics. a lot of rulings that overturn a

long-standing precedent, most notably on the issue of abortion. it really has called into question how much trust the american people have in the court night asked her, do you think about that when you write your dissents, when the court is handing down an opinion isn't right for justices to consider public opinion. and here's what she said when you are writing these opinions are you factoring in? what the public is going to think of your descent? the public perception of you or the court. >> when you write any opinion, you're doing so in part for the public because we are a government entity, we are public servants and it's our obligation to make sure that not only our colleagues, but also members of the public have an understanding of what's going on in the court? so i am taking into account public

opinion as our my colleagues when they're writing many perhaps who might think quite the opposite that the justices should not consider how the public might interpret what they do. >> but she told me, wolf, that the confidence of the public really is all the court happen as an that has been front and center for her and she believes for the rest of her colleagues on the supreme court, wealth, abby phillip, thank you very much. very interesting stuff. and to our viewers, be sure to watch the entire interview with justice ketanji brown jackson. on newsnight with abby phillip only on cnn later tonight, 10:00 p.m. eastern and we'll be right back >> we take the war to them second.

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brian, take us through these truly extraordinary images, wolf, these pictures show kim walking alongside what a problem but an expert tells us are centrifuges used to make a nuclear bombs. they show us that kim seems now less concerned with secrecy than with rattling his sword at the u.s. >> but from north korea's aggressive 40-year-old dictator, an audacious display of nuclear ambition. in new pictures just released by the regime, kim jong un is seen walking along rows of what experts say are gas centrifuges and being briefed by scientists analysts say it's extraordinary for the secret of paranoid leader to let the world see inside one of these covert facilities incredibly rare jong-un's confidence today. >> he's more capable with his nuclear capabilities than he's been in a long time. and i think he wants the world and the united states to know that it's nuclear analysts, anc, it panda's says these centrifuges are used to separate uranium, to isolate material to

manufacturer nuclear bombs while the north koreans did not disclose the name or location of this facility, ponder believes it's a place called kang son, a secret facility just south of the capital that he he discovered in 2018. what can us intelligence glean from these new images that the types of centrifuges that the north koreans are using are now more advanced than what we thought they had in the past. that just to make them a lot more efficient at sizing up their nuclear weapons and stockpile but why now, what message does kim want to send to the u.s. >> and its allies by releasing these images. now, they don't want outsiders asking questions about whether their weapons work and whether they'll have the ability to continue sizing up and maintaining their stockpiles. >> they want to remove all doubt that they have these weapons capabilities indeed, in recent days, kim pledged to quote, exponentially expand north korea's nuclear arsenal. kim jong un is trying to build up a nuclear force on a par our with not pakistan, but with united kingdom or france he's

trying to change the future and he's trying to telegraph that to us right now. >> honda believes north korea will soon conduct another test of a nuclear bomb. the regime has done six of those tests or massive explosions underground, but they haven't conducted one since september of 2070 tie as for their current stockpile ponder estimates, kim has between 6,100 nuclear bombs already made, but believes that will increase significantly in the next decade, which a former trump national security advisor says, puts the u.s. in a diplomatic bind excuse, north koreans and say, okay, it's okay for north korea to have a bomb is pretty hard then to say, well, know, a rank can't have a bomb and saudi arabia can't have a bomb the to turn ran, it, can't just be that the bad guys can get the bomb with impunity how can the u.s. counter kim jong-un's nuclear buildup at this point, analyst on kit ponder believes the u.s. now needs to focus simply on deterrence, mitigating the risks of a nuclear confrontation involving north korea. that's how dangerous the situation has become. wolf very dangerous indeed, brian

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